Interview with Catalina Fernandez
Introduction and Methods
For this project, I interviewed Catalina Fernandez, a senior at Virginia Polytechnic University from Puerto Rico. Catalina migrated from Puerto Rico to Northern Virginia. I met Catalina when entering middle school, and
we have been friends ever since. This interview depicts the story of what it is like to migrate from Puerto Rico to the states in the eyes of a young woman. In this case, Catalina did not immigrate but rather migrated, as her and her family already had citizenship when moving to Virginia. Puerto Rico is a territory of the United States. Even though she didn’t immigrate, she experienced hardships through adapting to a new culture, like any other immigrant would. She discusses what her life was like in Puerto Rico, the changes she had to make in Virginia, and how this experience has affected her in the long run. This interview was completed on November 24th at 7:15pm in a quiet, secluded room. Me and Catalina do not go to the same college, but rather we are from the same hometown, and I thought an in person interview would be best. I used an audio recorder and did a zoom recording as a backup, while taking brief notes on my laptop.
Background and Summary
Catalina was born in San Juan, Puerto Rico, her house being right on the water. San Juan is the capitol of Puerto Rico and the biggest city of the territory. She paints her time in Puerto Rico in bright colors, and she truly enjoyed her life in San Juan. She vividly recalls a food stand on the beachshe particularly loved, that sold fried fish called Bacalaos. She recalls spending most of her free time lounging on the beach in front of her house. For schooling, she and her older and younger sister attended an all girls catholic private school, as these specific schools were the best places for education in Puerto Rico. Puerto Rico is extremely dominated by the Catholic religion, and everyone practices it. This is because the San Juan community is small, as everyone in the area is familiarized with each other. Although the city was beautiful and tight knit, there were a few issues among the area. Puerto Rico is not as modernized and advanced as Northern Virginia, where Catalina’s family moved and lives today.The healthcare and educational opportunities are not great in San Juan. Catalina notes a story of when she was at the doctor in Puerto Rico: “I got an infection in a hospital for like a week because I got, um, This lady was sweating when she gave me my shots”. This demonstrates that healthcare in Puerto Rico is not up to par with the healthcare in America. Additionally to the bad healthcare, Catalina notes that the people of Puerto Rico can be offensive and racist. If you do not look a certain way or practice a certain religion, issues may arise among the community. This creates a hostile environment to live in. These factors are presumbly why the family decided to continue their lives in Northern Virginia.
Because of these problems, Catalina notes that she wouldn’t raise a family under these conditions, especially since she does not practice Catholicism anymore. She would love to live in Puerto Rico, but there are some factors that are holding her back. The oppurtunities are lacking compared to Virginia, and she doesn’t know Spanish that great anymore. It is evident that the scenery and environment of Puerto Rico are contuining to draw her attention. She is open to exploring other places to raise a family, and has many more ideas of where to travel. She loves Chicago, and she also wants to go abroad specifically to Europe. She does visit Puerto Rico frequently, and will be visiting this winter over the holiday break. Her grandma still lives in Puerto Rico, who occasionally visits Virginia and stays at her family home. She came to Virginia a few times to receive hip surgery because of the hea;thcare oppurtunities in Virginia. Catalina and her family will be staying with her grandmother for a few days and then a hotel for the rest. She loves Puerto Rico, but it is not a place she would like to stay to blossom a career and a family.
Integrating
Catalina moved to the United States when she was around five or six. She moved with her dad, her mom, and her two sisters. The distance from Puerto Rico to Virginia was a bit of trouble, but they succeeded. They moved first to Vienna Virginia, relocating to a few different cities in the area before settling in Centreville Virginia where she lives now. Soon after they moved to Virginia her parents divorced, her father moving to Florida, who she now has little connection to. Catalina noted in the interview that she thought it was random that they relocated to Virginia, and didn’t realize there was true reasoning behind the move. Catalina is deaf in one ear, and the family moved to Virginia so Catalina could receive better healthcare involving her deafness. She discovered this reasoning right before the interview as we were talking to her mother. Another reason her family relocated to Virginia was because she has a few close family members who live in D.C., so her family had another benefit of moving to Virginia. Healthcare opportunities and family in the area are a great example of pull factors that Virginia had to offer. It is very common that families move to specific places where they have family already located, which is defined as a migrant network. Pull factors are defined as the forces in receiving societies which are creating a demand for immigrant or migrant workers.
Catalina did not note in the interview if her family’s reasoning of moving was for money as well, but it can be assumed that there are better paying jobs in Virginia than Puerto Rico. Additionally, education opportunities were much better in the states. There were more options, and there was not a bigger need to enroll in private school for a better education, unlike Puerto Rico. She entered elementary school when she first arrived, where she had to repeat kindergarten due to her difficulties of speaking English. She came to Virginia fluent in Spanish, knowing zero English. She received schooling to help learn English, catching on quickly and repeatedly practicing the language. By the end of her elementary school career, she had excelled so well that she was offered a spot in an advanced middle school. She did not attend this middle school, and instead attended the other middle school in the area where me and Catalina first met. Unfortunately, because her household practiced English so much the family moved away from their native language and Catalina is now unable to speak very much Spanish. She still whole heartedly identifies with her culture, and loves Puerto Rico.
Citizenship wise, the moving process was not too much of a struggle, since she and her family already had citizenship as a Puerto Ricans. Catalina and her sisters can technically be counted as second generation children because of the culture change. This is the key distinction that separates her from other immigration stories. She experienced the culture change of moving from Puerto Rico to Virginia, but had no issues with citizenship. This was another big advantage of moving to the states, as it was a way for her family to receive better healthcare and opportunities without the worry of gaining citizenship. Additionally, this was likely the biggest pull factor of them all when her family considered moving to Virginia. Overall, Virginia is very receptive and diverse especially in Northern Virginia where Catalina and I are from. The suburbs around D.C. are very multicultural,
and it can be seen through restaurants, sports, and the surrounding schools. The specific highschool Catalina and I attended is rich with diversity and oppurtunities for minorities.
When analyzing Catalina’s background and integration process, I would say that it ties into Milton Gordon’s Seven Sequential Stages of Assimilation (1964). Catalina’s story most connects with the first stage, which is Acculturation. She discussed in depth her process with learning English, making friends in school and adapting to the Virginian culture overall. Once time passed, it clear she felt tied to the idenfitication stage as she felt as if she identified more and more with Virginia since she moved here so young. Because of this, she accepted the attitudes and behaviors of Northern Virginia and at Virginia Polytechnic Institute. She and her family demonstrate upwards assimilation as they grew into the culture of Virginia.
Membership
Catalina notes in the interview that she does sometimes feel out of place being in Virginia. She notes that she “aways seems to feel poor” but sometimes “feels rich”. This is because of the contrasting feelings that arise when identifying with multiple cultures. Additionally, Northern Virginia is deemed as Even though she has been in Virginia practically her whole life, she still follows many Puerto Rico traditions. Her mother is a great chef, and some of Catalina’s favorite meals she makes are rice and beans, sweet plantains, and a tomato chicken dish. She doesn’t have any Puerto Rican specific drinks that she enjoys, but she liked Nesquik as a kid. Her mother still cooks these traditional meals from time to time, but Catalina notes that her mother’s cooking has changed overtime after living in Virginia for so long. Her mother cooks American food more often than not. This demonstrates that her mother has begun to identify more with American culture, as she feels more bonded with the culture in Virginia. For a few years Catalina and her family celebrated Three Kings, but as years passed the family did not consistently celebrate the holiday. Her family has seemed to adjust more to the American culture as time went, celebrating more common holidays in Virginia like Easter, Christmas, and Halloween. This was a big shift in traditions, as
the family started to celebrate less from Puerto Rico and more from the states. Another change Catalina added was the mealtimes in Puerto Rico compared to America. In Puerto Rico they ate dinner late, around eight or nine at night. However in America, the average dinner time is around five or six at night. This was a big adjustment to the family as they weren’t used to these eating patterns. Another difference that Catalina discussed was the environmental differences in Puerto Rico compared to Virginia. Puerto Rico was always sunny or rainy, had warm weather, and beaches all across town. Virginia is more suburban, and has a variety of weather changes throughout the year. Catalina and her family were exposed to different animals as well. Her sisters and her used to chase deer outside the house, as they had never seen them in Puerto Rico. They were intrigued by new animals around them.
Conclusion
In conclusion, it is evident that Catalina’s family migrated to the states for the benefits and rewards that Northern Virginia specifically had to offer. Throughout the interview, she highlights the differences between Puerto Rico and Virginia and emphasizes the opportunities that Virginia has since provided her. She earned a great education and received the healthcare she needed for her. Her life drastically changed over a decade ago, but she still continues to hold Puerto Rico close to her heart. Her history shows upward assimilation when migrating from Puerto Rico to Virginia, and it was not an easy process.
interview
Jordyn Crane: [00:00:00] Okay. Today is November 24th. It is 7. 15 PM. My name is Jordyn Crane and I’m interviewing Catalina Fernandez on her immigration process from Puerto Rico. All right. So to start off, um, we are, I already said your name, what is your age?
Catalina Fernandez: I am a senior at Virginia Tech, Virginia Polytechnic Institute.
Jordyn Crane: Um, when, when did you come to the, to United States and how old were you?
Catalina Fernandez: Well, um, I came to the States when I was, I think I was five years old, six years old. Like in between, then in between there, um. But yeah, I’m from Puerto Rico, so that is technically still part of the United States, so.
Jordyn Crane: Yes, still technically part. [00:01:00] Um, who came with you to the, to the, to Virginia?
Catalina Fernandez: I, I came with, yeah, I came with, um, my mom, my dad, and my two sisters. Yes, just us.
Jordyn Crane: Um,
Catalina Fernandez: We already knew family here, um, just like some of my dad’s cousins, but they already lived here.
Jordyn Crane: Um, did they live in Virginia?
Catalina Fernandez: They live in D. C.
Jordyn Crane: Um, why, so why did you come to Virginia?
Catalina Fernandez: Like, specifically out of all states, well, my dad got a job here, and I guess, I just learned this, I thought it was completely random that we moved here, but my mom just told me [00:02:00] that it was because of me that I had, um, so I’m deaf in one ear, and they specifically wanted Virginia because we’re near really good doctors and healthcare for Uh, hearing specialists. But I guess that’s a special reason.
Jordyn Crane: Um, is there any other state you would rather live in? Or prefer that you move to when you came here?
Catalina Fernandez: No.
Jordyn Crane: Do you like Virginia?
Catalina Fernandez: I don’t really care. I kind of liked it here. It was suburban. It was rural. But it was also city at the same time. It was fun.
Jordyn Crane: And, um, what was…What was your citizen process like, if you remember?
Catalina Fernandez: Well, I was automatically a citizen, because my parents are citizens. And like, you [00:03:00] know, I was born in the United States. But, but I guess like, the process of moving from Puerto Rico to Virginia was not, not, no security there. I mean, I guess like, My parents finances were different in getting the land.
Jordyn Crane: What were some difficulties you had when transitioning to living in Virginia?
Catalina Fernandez: Um, I, I couldn’t read. Um, and I didn’t know English. And, I guess like that, and I, I don’t know, I feel like I was pretty isolated. Growing up.
Jordyn Crane: Um, were there anything, anything that was really easy [00:04:00] when coming to Virginia that didn’t, like nothing changed?
Catalina Fernandez: Not really easy.
Jordyn Crane: Or was there nothing?
Catalina Fernandez: Something that was really easy?
Jordyn Crane: Yeah, something, like, what wasn’t hard.
Catalina Fernandez: What wasn’t hard? Out of the entire process?
Jordyn Crane: Yeah.
Catalina Fernandez: And that wasn’t, I guess like, we had a lot of doctors and stuff, and I felt like I was pretty well taken care of.
I don’t know, I think Like doctor access? Yeah. Sure, that’s something you could write.
Jordyn Crane: Was it, was it better?
Catalina Fernandez: Yeah. Like I definitely felt, I like had a lot of, I mean I was perfectly healthy. Like, I’m, I’m fine. I went to the dentist.[00:05:00]
Like, at home, they would have taken me to a dentist, but a shitty dentist. Yeah. Yeah. Wait, what else? What else? Oh yeah, in Puerto Rico, I, I got an infection in a hospital for like a week because I got, um, This lady was sweating when she gave me my shots. And, I got a really bad infection when I was there for a while.
Jordyn Crane: Uh, you already answered this a little bit, but what was it like building relationships and friendships as you learned English? Or just in general?
Catalina Fernandez: I think, it was kind of like, Um, like not too easy, but not too difficult. Well, yeah, sure. It was, it was fine. It just, um, no. Yeah, I had friends. I had friends,[00:06:00] um, but I definitely felt isolated sometimes.
Jordyn Crane: Um, did you struggle learning English?
Catalina Fernandez: Yeah.
Jordyn Crane: Take any classes or anything?
Catalina Fernandez: Yeah, I had to take kindergarten twice. Um, but then my, I mean, I went to a good elementary school and I think they helped a lot. Like, I started picking it up really, really fast. And then eventually when I got to, I think when I got to, I don’t know. What year was it? Oh, when I got to sixth grade, they asked me to go to an advanced special school. I still remember that. Like, they, wait, they, I got invited to Rocky Run. That was it. Oh, that’s right. [00:07:00] Advanced specials.
Jordyn Crane: What are some food and drinks that you like from Puerto Rico?
Catalina Fernandez: Um, Oh, there was like a stand. My family would go a lot. So we lived on the beach and so we went to the beach all the time. Like I went all the time and I remember there was a stand right next to our beach that they sold like fried fish called like Bacalao so good. We eat that on the beach and drink coconuts. That’s so funny. Oh my god.
Jordyn Crane: What, what were the, what was it like, like food wise changing from Puerto Rico to [00:08:00] Virginia? Was there anything?
Catalina Fernandez: No, not really. Everything, my mom cooked. She cooked a lot. She cooked every night. I guess like, I don’t really remember the food in Puerto Rico that much. Like, I just remember my mom’s cooking. She made, she cooked every night. So nothing really changed much, I guess. Did she still cook? The same, I mean, I guess now she makes, like, now I see a difference, but I don’t think it’s bad. Like, now she makes, like, risotto, and, like, just, like, different stuff. But then, it was a lot of, like, Hispanic food.
Jordyn Crane: What’s your favorite food that she makes?
Catalina Fernandez: Rice and beans, sweet plantains, and I, oh and tostones, and then I miss, oh my god she used to make this [00:09:00] chicken with like tomato, uh, I don’t even, it’s like tomato chicken and it falls right off and there’s some potatoes in it and it’s like a soup. Oh my god, it’s so good.Oh. Nice. But I forgot what it was called.
Jordyn Crane: Um, any drinks that you liked?
Catalina Fernandez: I guess Nesquik a lot. As a baby. I really liked Nesquik. Yeah, it was Nesquik.
Jordyn Crane: Um, what was the environment change like? Did you like it? Like, Like, Like, like, scenery?
Catalina Fernandez: Oh, yeah. Or, like, weather. Oh, well, it was different. I don’t remember, I just remember being at the beach a lot. I was always at the beach or at camp. Everything was always green and blue. Like, I remember, no, like, you know how you [00:10:00] remember your childhood and colors sometimes? Yeah. Like, the colors there are always, like, green and blue. You know? Do you know what I mean?
Jordyn Crane: Yeah. No, yeah, yeah.
Jordyn Crane: Did you feel that same way in Puerto Rico, if you remember?
Catalina Fernandez: Yeah. Okay. Scenery? Yeah. Yeah. Like, so childhood just felt very colorful. Colorful, yeah. Colorful trees. Is that what we were… Weather was… Oh, it rains a lot. It rains a lot over there. And it didn’t get cold, obviously. Always is like, maybe 60 or 70. Not, yeah, hurricanes, blah blah blah, you know.
Jordyn Crane: Can you talk about the religion you raised in? Religion?
Catalina Fernandez: [00:11:00] Catholicism?
Jordyn Crane: Was that any different in Puerto Rico compared to here? Puerto Rico compared to here?
Catalina Fernandez: Yeah. It was extreme. Okay. Extreme Catholics in Puerto Rico. Okay. And my, my family was, yeah, one of those. Yeah.
Jordyn Crane: Uh, was there any other religions you remember or
Catalina Fernandez: No, it was just like slowly,
Catalina Fernandez: no. Nope. Yeah. Like everywhere I was surround, I mean like, yeah. We had a tiny little, like, Puerto Rico is a very tiny community.
Like, it’s really small. Like, everyone knows each other. It’s weird. It’s actually really strange. Okay? And they were all Catholic.
Jordyn Crane: Was it, like, [00:12:00] neighborhoods? Or just, was it more, like, spread out? The houses?
Catalina Fernandez: Hmm. Uh, both. It wasn’t really, like, that type of thing. I don’t know. I was thinking about that. We did three kings for a few years and then, nah, then it went away. That’s like the holiday where the camel, three kings on camels. And they come after Christmas.
Jordyn Crane: Um, were there any changes in meal times?
Catalina Fernandez: Um, changes in meal times? In Puerto Rico, like, did you eat dinner and breakfast? I guess, yeah. I recently [00:13:00] found out that Puerto Rico does, yeah, have you heard of the, like, what is it called, taking a fiesta?
Jordyn Crane: Maybe.
Catalina Fernandez: Yeah, like during the day, like at 2pm, businesses close to take naps, so people like sleep and rest.
Jordyn Crane: Every day?
Catalina Fernandez: Yeah, no, taking siesta. Siesta, not fiesta. And like, that’s a thing apparently, but I don’t remember it. Like, we used to all take naps and have to eat at like, I don’t know, things were weird.
Jordyn Crane: Did you nap? Like every single day? Like
Catalina Fernandez: it was like, I don’t know. I don’t remember, but apparently that’s what Puerto Rico does. Oh, crazy. Um, , we all take
naps, .
Jordyn Crane: Um, if you remember going to school in Puerto Rico, what was it likeor was it any different?
Catalina Fernandez: Oh [00:14:00] yeah, it was like. Oh my god. Wait, can you include do you include pictures in these interviews? Cause I can ha I literally have a picture of my uniform.
Jordyn Crane: Yeah, I can put it as like a cover.
Catalina Fernandez: It is so crazy and I look like I’m in a movie. You know, like I look so cute. But um, yeah, school is a lot different. Cause I went to a, all, a catholic, all girls, all catholic school. For pre school. Okay, wait. Hey, look. The ones, the, er, no, not all the school, not, like I’m sure there were public schools but, I bet that they weren’t funded at all.
Jordyn Crane: Did your sisters also go to the same school?
Catalina Fernandez: Yeah. [00:15:00] Yup. Yup, yup. I’m looking. Funny stories from adapting. Um. No. No. Wait, I don’t know. Um, I think. Oh, yeah, I guess. I mean, that wasn’t something really I remembered. I think my mom just remembers that. But, uh, yeah, we used to chase deer. I guess that doesn’t make, like, deer used to, um. What was it even? Oh, yeah, we had never seen deer before, so we used to chase a lot of deer around the house.
Because we were like, whoa, deer.
Jordyn Crane: They were in your house?
Catalina Fernandez: They were around the house. And then we were like, [00:16:00] whoa, they’re deer. Like, we’ve never seen deer before. Sorry.
Jordyn Crane: Uh, do you prefer Puerto Rico or Virginia living?
Catalina Fernandez: They’re different. I don’t know what living in Puerto Rico now would be like. Like, I’ve lost a lot of my Spanish. And I would love to live there. Like, I love the beach so much. And being near water is just… Being near water, being able to just, like, run out. Uh, yeah, it was nice.
Jordyn Crane: Do you have any pros and cons for both?
Catalina Fernandez: Um, pro for Puerto Rico is it’s sunny. And, uh, it’s like warm and ocean, beach, swim, pretty. [00:17:00] Yeah. And then, con, hurricanes.
Well, con’s a, I’m, like, I don’t know Spanish. So, yeah. Um, that’s it.
Jordyn Crane: Is there a reason why you don’t speak much Spanish?
Catalina Fernandez: Um, I, uh, my parents got divorced and I just stopped speaking it all the time in the house because so after my parents got divorced it just started like, I just started, I don’t know. And also, . Oh, wait, wait, wait. There was another reason I just like was trying to practice my English so [00:18:00] much that I just slowly lost my Spanish.
It was sad.
Jordyn Crane: Um, are you happy that you came to Virginia?
Catalina Fernandez: Yeah, I like it here and I like Virginia Tech and I.
Jordyn Crane: Did you move at all since you’ve been here?
Catalina Fernandez: Yeah. No, we’ve been, we’ve moved like four times. We lived, um, when we first moved here, we lived in Vienna. And then, our second house was in Centerville, but, like, Pleasant Valley. Third, we lived in Virginia Run, still Centerville, just a different neighborhood. And then, [00:19:00] after Virginia Run, we moved Oh, I missed a place.
Uh, before Virginia Run, we lived in an apartment in Fairfax Corner. Like, one of those can den apartments. And then after that, we moved to Virginia Run. And, uh, then after Virginia Run, my mom met Jeff, my stepdad. And we moved to, uh, where we are now. Where my parents are now. In Centerville. Sully.
Jordyn Crane: Are there any Puerto Rican games you like to play?
Catalina Fernandez: Puerto Rican games?
Jordyn Crane: I don’t know, like board games?
Catalina Fernandez: No, like, there’s, I’m sorry, but there’s nothing. Like, every game, there’s, no.
Jordyn Crane: Okay, nothing? No. Okay, nothing.
Catalina Fernandez: We played a lot of Clue.
[00:20:00] Like, like, um.
Jordyn Crane: You would rather live in than Virginia?
Catalina Fernandez: Um, I want. Well, I want to experience living everywhere, like I want, I even, like going abroad.
I also want to go to Chicago, and I like Virginia, but I also like places that are warmer, with a beach. And I know I said Chicago, but, like, and it’s freezing there, but they have a beach. It’s a good beach, actually. I like their beach. Um, yeah, I think that’s it. Well, actually, I want to go all places. Back to Puerto Rico, too.
Jordyn Crane: Would you raise a family in Puerto Rico?
Catalina Fernandez: I… Wouldn’t. I feel like living [00:21:00] there is kind of… Um… It’s just like…I feel like it’s just not, like, sustainable. I wouldn’t live there with, uh, actually, but it’s just so small. And apparently they’re very like, um, behind, like on times. Like my mom, she’s, she, they’re like racist and, and, uh, they’re just fucked up.
Jordyn Crane: Um, have you visited since you’ve, um, moved to Virginia?
Catalina Fernandez: Um, yeah, a lot. And we’re also, I haven’t, we’re going on a trip during winter break. That’s actually something for you to know. [00:22:00] going on winter.
Jordyn Crane: Oh. Are you staying with any family?
Catalina Fernandez: Uh, for four nights we’re staying with our grandma. And then other nights I booked a hotel with Hilton.
Jordyn Crane: Does, has your grandma been to Virginia?
Catalina Fernandez: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. She had a hip surgery a few, like, last year in Virginia. And she stayed with us for a while. . Here she
is. Sorry.
Jordyn Crane: Um, are there any traditions you still do today or any that you don’t want to continue?
Catalina Fernandez: Traditions?
Jordyn Crane: It’s maybe something you don’t like, that you just,
Catalina Fernandez: or that I [00:23:00] don’t want to continue.
Jordyn Crane: Yeah.
Catalina Fernandez: Traditions.
What’s a tradition? Um. Oh. Make flan. Make flan on, for Christmas. Cookin I like to cook. I like to cook. Um, yeah. Wait, wait, wait. Um. I know more, I guess. We used to go to church. We used to go to mass. I definitely will not be doing that. Uh, yeah.
Jordyn Crane: Do you still practice your religion at all or do you, has your no opinions changed?
Catalina Fernandez: Yes. And like they’re similar but no
Jordyn Crane: Do you want to raise your kids with that same. Catholicism, or
Catalina Fernandez: no. [00:24:00] ,
Jordyn Crane: Is there anything you still struggle with today, um, since, from, like, moving to Virginia, like, as a young, or do you
feel
Catalina Fernandez: My mouth is so dry. I’m sorry.
Jordyn Crane: Is there anything you still struggle with today that maybe you feel different than other people?
Catalina Fernandez: Um, I guess, I feel, I always feel poor. But some days I feel rich, most days I feel poor. Do you know what I mean?
Jordyn Crane: Why is that?
Catalina Fernandez: Well, I, um, [00:25:00] look, I, I don’t know, I, I feel like, I’m, like, really poor. Do you weren’t raised here, or Well, well, I guess when we came over My parents were a lot of stuff happened, there’s a lot of stuff that occurred, and my family lost a lot of money. Or, yeah, my mom, and basically, basically, yeah.
No, I grew up pretty low, my income, but I mean that started like later in life though, like more towards, um, like 4th grade and stuff, 3rd grade, or 4th grade, I don’t know. [00:26:00]
Jordyn Crane: Alright, is there anything else you would like to talk about? Anything else that you would like to talk about?
Catalina Fernandez: Um, any more questions? Do you have any more questions?
Jordyn Crane: I do not have any more questions.
Catalina Fernandez: Okay.
Jordyn Crane: It was not, that is the conclusion. Okay, that’s Thank you for coming, thank you
for listening.
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